what is missing is the rule of law. john: you say, if they just said rule of law that would be as rich as we. >> of course. let me tell you, bringing in the rule of law is no easy thing. they're trying it in afghanistan . and not getting there. john: you started your working in peru working, trying t establish property rights. an economic adviser to the president. reform to the extent that other countries and by you to go to -- you got to russia, libya. twenty-three countries. egypt and honduras and the philippines. the leaders of these countries must get that they are doing something wrong. >> they did it easier than in north america. the people who brought in the rule of law and property rights into the unid states, the 18th and 19th century, you can't remember that. in the case of these guys, they see that they are poor relative to your wealth. it's easy for them to sycamore is the difference? they are constantly looking so they can recognize much faster. we did not realize the fact it you can determine that a piece